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governor romney does visiting here? all because mitt romney was in a serious order taken it seriously? that he was the butt of more jokes. david brennan is on the phone right now. thanks for joining. >> thank you. neil: you have seen the studies. remember, they broke down the juxtaposition of jokes you and it was something like 10 to one, making fun of romney. >> i think first of all you have to know that the comedian's lean left anyway. always. i mean, they are basically -- even though they try to balance that, they are going to make fun of the other guy who is running against a democrat. but in spite of that, it doesn't matter. you know, look at george w. bush. talk about a walking talking joke. the second time that he ran -- were you kidding me? all he had to do was repeat what he said and people were screaming. neil: and he got reelected. >> and he got reelected i will say that that is right. i do think it was overly disproportionate and part of my thinking is that everything that mitt romney would do or say became
governor romney does visiting here? all because mitt romney was in a serious order taken it seriously? that he was the butt of more jokes. david brennan is on the phone right now. thanks for joining. >> thank you. neil: you have seen the studies. remember, they broke down the juxtaposition of jokes you and it was something like 10 to one, making fun of romney. >> i think first of all you have to know that the comedian's lean left anyway. always. i mean, they are basically -- even...
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mitt romney not far behind that. is it possible to raise the money to run the campaign. >> it is difficult if you are not in the system. peggy is right and the electorate would embrace the wilke or perot type figure . raising the money and putting together the political structure and energy to do what is necessary in the campaign. dana, it is hard for somebody who is never been in the process and you have seen it first hand and you know how tough it is . tough for somebody with no experience to come in and do it. >> compeeling and convincing. doug and peggy. >> thank you so much. coming up later in the show, we'll meet a grouch -- group of hurricane sandy victims. i get to do something in the question and answer session with the audience, next . humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what else comes standard at libertymutual.c
mitt romney not far behind that. is it possible to raise the money to run the campaign. >> it is difficult if you are not in the system. peggy is right and the electorate would embrace the wilke or perot type figure . raising the money and putting together the political structure and energy to do what is necessary in the campaign. dana, it is hard for somebody who is never been in the process and you have seen it first hand and you know how tough it is . tough for somebody with no...
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romney poll is off by over 9. ouch. in colorado within romney poll had romney up 2.5 points. obama won by 5.4. romney poll off by almost 8. again, ouch. in iowa, a tie. romney won by almost 6 points. in minnesota, romney poll showed romney up by 4. he won by 7.7. in wisconsin, showing obama up by 4. he won by 6.8. in pennsylvania the romney poll showed obama up three points. he won by 5.4. so these are big swings. this isn't a little bit off. so the question becomes, why were the romney numberes so very off? the reporter who got the polling data posed that question to romney polster neil newhouse. he said, quote, i'm not sure what answer is, newhouse said. his future client may want to know that. he said his polls were more accurate than most of the other swing states. though there was a knowledge of the electior yit. he said the colorado latino vote was challenging as it was in florida. the romney campaign also stemmed in part from the voter intensity. their polls asked voters how interested they were in the election on a scale of 1-10. voters who scored 8, 9 or 10 romney le
romney poll is off by over 9. ouch. in colorado within romney poll had romney up 2.5 points. obama won by 5.4. romney poll off by almost 8. again, ouch. in iowa, a tie. romney won by almost 6 points. in minnesota, romney poll showed romney up by 4. he won by 7.7. in wisconsin, showing obama up by 4. he won by 6.8. in pennsylvania the romney poll showed obama up three points. he won by 5.4. so these are big swings. this isn't a little bit off. so the question becomes, why were the romney...
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this year mitt romney got a measly 28%. if he had gotten even 35% he would have won the pop already vote, mitt romney, and maybe the presidential election. so for the first time it can be said conclusively, but probably not the last time, the latino vote was decisive in this election. bearing that in mind here is craig with the senior latino senator, bob menendez, democrat of new jersey. >> i think what was incredibly encouraging was to see a significant increase in latino turnout. >> senator men anyone des, -- menendez when you learned the latino vote was the decides factor in the leaks, what was your reaction? >> a coming of aim. -- coming of age, this community has grown so in the country. served in the armed forces of the united states over many, many wores, contributed economically, finally here was the constantly referred to sleeping giant awakening. >> the awakened giant was enormous. 71% of the vote. making the difference in states like florida, virginia, new mexico, and colorado. and all exit polling saying the dif
this year mitt romney got a measly 28%. if he had gotten even 35% he would have won the pop already vote, mitt romney, and maybe the presidential election. so for the first time it can be said conclusively, but probably not the last time, the latino vote was decisive in this election. bearing that in mind here is craig with the senior latino senator, bob menendez, democrat of new jersey. >> i think what was incredibly encouraging was to see a significant increase in latino turnout....
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it's clear governor romney has written off politics. otherwise why would he make the gifts comment unless maybe he's in deep denial of what happened. but it's clear, his time as leader of the republican party is done, is over. again, the polls were barely closed on election night before the party was already moving beyond him. a columnist at new york magazine who wrote that there are no romneyites, no one within the republican party to carry the romney banner into 2014 and 2016. the party's moved beyond him. they're all focused on christie, jindal, ryan, rubio, any other person in the republican party in a governorship or high up in the senate who could possibly run for president in 2016. they're focused on him, not romney. >> maybe bobby jindal will welcome ted nugent. gentlemen, thank you so much. next, 98% of americans, as some like to say, are hostages. stay with us. >> shelly taylor, lead researcher says peopleç as the age lose that gut feeling that, hey, something's wrong here. >> who would have thought that elderly fox news vie
it's clear governor romney has written off politics. otherwise why would he make the gifts comment unless maybe he's in deep denial of what happened. but it's clear, his time as leader of the republican party is done, is over. again, the polls were barely closed on election night before the party was already moving beyond him. a columnist at new york magazine who wrote that there are no romneyites, no one within the republican party to carry the romney banner into 2014 and 2016. the party's...
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and introducing 7 lunch choices for just $7.99. >> mitt romney received less than 30 pest of-- 30% of the hispanic vote, less than george w. bush got in 2004. and g.o.p. has to figure out a way to reach latinos for the election. and joining me, it's a pleasure here to have you here. [applause]. >> i've known you for a few years and i realize i don't know the answer to my first question, which is what is your first political memory in your history? >> well, first of all, thank you for inviting me here, it's a great honor. obviously, my first memory would be being in cuba, they're really bad memories of immense government that did not allow any room for private, for civil, for civil society, for private action, for individuals. but i carry that with me or with remembering how evil big government is. >> how did that form your personal philosophy and you've done a lot of studies and you think that there is a short, medium and long-term way for conservatives to reach out to latinos. so, it will me about that personal philosophy and how you think that short and medium term goals would be ac
and introducing 7 lunch choices for just $7.99. >> mitt romney received less than 30 pest of-- 30% of the hispanic vote, less than george w. bush got in 2004. and g.o.p. has to figure out a way to reach latinos for the election. and joining me, it's a pleasure here to have you here. [applause]. >> i've known you for a few years and i realize i don't know the answer to my first question, which is what is your first political memory in your history? >> well, first of all, thank...
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romney did everything he could to water down his relationship with the ryan plan. and so it was -- it took a back seat. i just don't know that ryan is at a high eb of his influence and authority and one of the stronger cards that the republican party can play. one last point on the peg began noonan/ronald reagan stuff, politics has changed. the echo chamber of partisan media and pressures coming from twitter and blogs, and there's so much more information about what's happening on the hill and every negotiating faint is met with this enormous backlash. it's just not -- it doesn't work the way it used to and i don't think it is going to again. >> it ain't what it used to be. grab your apple pie at costco. i would grab -- i would grab -- i would note that i think paul ryan may be the only person in america who became a romneyest. apparently as pegeny noonan said, romney left no footprints in the sand. >> oh. >> coming up, the ten letter word that can grind washington to a halt, but can capitol hill clean up the dirty mess that is the filibuster. we will ask our very
romney did everything he could to water down his relationship with the ryan plan. and so it was -- it took a back seat. i just don't know that ryan is at a high eb of his influence and authority and one of the stronger cards that the republican party can play. one last point on the peg began noonan/ronald reagan stuff, politics has changed. the echo chamber of partisan media and pressures coming from twitter and blogs, and there's so much more information about what's happening on the hill and...
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i think that obama if he were smart, would utilize mitt romney, mitt romney really knows could. i think that -- knows business, and i think that obama has a certain respect. obama is not a businessman. he is an idea log. i think by him doing something to reach out to mitt romney other than a turkey chili lunch, whatever. neil: they had cold cuts. >> and cold cuts. >> i'm thinking like salmon or something elegant, are you going to eat that. >> yeah, look at my office that you do not get, and how about a coil cut. neil: did you see that? like, looky there what do you think of the color scheme, not up to you. >> track records speak for themselves, mitt romney has a track record of great things. neil: look at, that. >> in oval offers. >> romney just within inches of the desk. >> when i worked for giuliani, romney was running, he has been running for a long time. neil: do you think he runs again. >> i do not. neil: who do the think? >> 2016 rubio, and chris christie, a lot of people that a lot of big donors begged to run. neil: tom you are runni? >> not yet. >> talk to me. >> when he
i think that obama if he were smart, would utilize mitt romney, mitt romney really knows could. i think that -- knows business, and i think that obama has a certain respect. obama is not a businessman. he is an idea log. i think by him doing something to reach out to mitt romney other than a turkey chili lunch, whatever. neil: they had cold cuts. >> and cold cuts. >> i'm thinking like salmon or something elegant, are you going to eat that. >> yeah, look at my office that you...
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he was a chairman of mitt romney's campaign this year. he hosted a luncheon for big time republican bundlers. the audience was reince priebus who attended the meeting. it was his rnc who hired the firm ran by the improprieties to run the voter registration efforts in five swing states. when that firm, ran by that guy with the shady past was inevitably accused of doing shady things this year with voter registration, the republican party in all of those states had to fire the firm which ended voter registration in the final crucial week before the election. there was no plan b. thanks, reince. the republicans just had to give up registering voters in those states. maybe that came up in today's meeting. also potentially on the menu today, the rnc field program, part of the ground effort that was just swamped this year. the republicans get out to vote technology crashed early on election day. one campaign telling the daily beast, everything about the system that was supposed to work actually failed. so these dozens of big-time republican dono
he was a chairman of mitt romney's campaign this year. he hosted a luncheon for big time republican bundlers. the audience was reince priebus who attended the meeting. it was his rnc who hired the firm ran by the improprieties to run the voter registration efforts in five swing states. when that firm, ran by that guy with the shady past was inevitably accused of doing shady things this year with voter registration, the republican party in all of those states had to fire the firm which ended...
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it wasn't mitt romney, he landed at world net daily.
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romney goes to washington. he'll dine today at 1600 pennsylvania avenue at the invitation of the president himself. the question, is there a grander purpose behind their lunch date. >> is governor romney here tomorrow in some kind of cabinet level position, an audition for that position? >> no. >> so joining me now from the white house is kristen welker. so romney's people, however, they're not backing off controversial suggestions about how the president won re-election. romney chief strategist sue teachs explains romney lost essentially by suggesting that the president was black and that poor people voted overwhelmingly for him, not exactly a positive tone ahead of this luncheon. we all know that there ain't no free lunch. so what is this all about? >> well, remember it also comes on the heels of mitt romney making those gift comments, essentially suggesting president obama won re-election because he gave his core constituents gifts. so not necessarily a positive tone to start the meeting. but this is really
romney goes to washington. he'll dine today at 1600 pennsylvania avenue at the invitation of the president himself. the question, is there a grander purpose behind their lunch date. >> is governor romney here tomorrow in some kind of cabinet level position, an audition for that position? >> no. >> so joining me now from the white house is kristen welker. so romney's people, however, they're not backing off controversial suggestions about how the president won re-election....
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he came closes to any republican to dislodging mitt romney as presidential nominee here, had all of 28-cents in his campaign war shift. do you find any of this troubling? >> i do. for republicans to go out and concede on the revenue side. does washington need more revenue? yeah it does, looking at overall percentage of money of revenues that come in to federal government, than what has been average since world war ii, we're below that the argument should be, yeah, we need more revenue, but the question is, how do republicans historically, how do we argue, for more revenue? growth. we need more growth, if we have more growth, highest revenues we had in history of the -- since world war ii was 21 or 22% of gdp, what happened? tech boom, huge capital gains and start ups, and that is how we got revenue, it was not by raising taxes that is an argument we have with principle made and have been correct in making it. to now say, well, you know, president won and we have to concede that point. i'm not saying there can't be tax reform. but that should be an ending point not a starting point. nei
he came closes to any republican to dislodging mitt romney as presidential nominee here, had all of 28-cents in his campaign war shift. do you find any of this troubling? >> i do. for republicans to go out and concede on the revenue side. does washington need more revenue? yeah it does, looking at overall percentage of money of revenues that come in to federal government, than what has been average since world war ii, we're below that the argument should be, yeah, we need more revenue,...
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. >> romney lost the state. the unemployment rate in ohio has gone down was due to policies. >> sorry about these governors. they have made there stay solvent. but look. -- [talking over each other] >> if i may. my heart is filled with excitement. i am so excited as i hear you tell me how good things are at the state level. there are governors out there. there are state legislatures, 26 of them controlled by republicans. i am not suggesting that the republican party has disappeared i am suggesting that national leaders to deal with the white house in a campaign structure@ that is still campaigning relentlessly after winning a presidential election -- >> the speaker has not buckled. he said la land. lou: did he say lolland all by himself? >> this is serious. here is what we can do. here is what we want to do. take the politics out of it. they'd be partisan is this right now. a higher probability they can come to a deal or look like heroes. if they try to make this work there will be in very serious trouble for so
. >> romney lost the state. the unemployment rate in ohio has gone down was due to policies. >> sorry about these governors. they have made there stay solvent. but look. -- [talking over each other] >> if i may. my heart is filled with excitement. i am so excited as i hear you tell me how good things are at the state level. there are governors out there. there are state legislatures, 26 of them controlled by republicans. i am not suggesting that the republican party has...
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rather than anti- romney policy. i wonder if he says maybe you could have made it less personal. >> bob: good point. >> eric: vehemently disagre disagree. >> eric: do you think they talk about the negative ads? >> kimberly: i don't think so. both are campaign or super pacs weren't at the best. >> eric: yes, i did pay my taxes. no i didn't kill anyone. >> kimberly: i'm not against dogs, yeah, the whole thing. i like dogs. >> eric: i like twitter. that was the big thing. please roll the video. according to the reporter newspaper, president obama plans to do his annual wine vacation, get this, the dates are december 17 through january 6. so that means, while america is hurled head first off the fiscal cliff, the obama will spend 21 days golfing, body surfing and lunching to the tune of $4 million taxpayer dollars. you can't make stuff up. >> kimberly: that sounds good to me. >> dana: the reporters would have complained if they spent 21 days in waco. but 21 in hawaii could be worse. he said let's make sure we get it done
rather than anti- romney policy. i wonder if he says maybe you could have made it less personal. >> bob: good point. >> eric: vehemently disagre disagree. >> eric: do you think they talk about the negative ads? >> kimberly: i don't think so. both are campaign or super pacs weren't at the best. >> eric: yes, i did pay my taxes. no i didn't kill anyone. >> kimberly: i'm not against dogs, yeah, the whole thing. i like dogs. >> eric: i like twitter. that...
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mitt romney proved that. but the republican party is now saying, look. there's not going to be a charismatic black candidate on the republican side in 2016. we don't have to worry. they do have to worry. minorities are in the middle class are very capable of voting for people other than charismatic black candidates. they have not had much choice in the past. the republican party can't sit back and say, well, in 2016, this will fall in our laps and be okay again. they have to be dynamic and simply change policies to attract more voters. >> roger simon, thank you very much. what a column you have written. everyone should check it out. thanks, roger. >> thanks, tamron, as always. >> absolutely. >>> the photographer that took a picture of a man pushed to his deaths rather than reach out to help him. he's defending the decision to take the picture. >> whether i had a camera or not and i was running towards it, there is no way i could have rescued mr. han. >> i'll talk with congresswoman schwartz last week calling on mr. boehner to meet with the president. now
mitt romney proved that. but the republican party is now saying, look. there's not going to be a charismatic black candidate on the republican side in 2016. we don't have to worry. they do have to worry. minorities are in the middle class are very capable of voting for people other than charismatic black candidates. they have not had much choice in the past. the republican party can't sit back and say, well, in 2016, this will fall in our laps and be okay again. they have to be dynamic and...
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though interestingly, it didn't work for mitt romney. he said i can raise "x" billion, he said $800 billion, by closing undisclosed loopholes and tax expenditures, but once you get down to the level of specifics and you say, i want to close the charitable deduction, i want to close the mortgage interest deduction, i want to close the state and local deduction, then you awake a lot of o opponents for whom your loophole is their treasured program. that's are not scorable, addible numbers at all and the president is correct to say, look, we've got weeks -- we're weeks out from the fiscal cliff. bring to me a deal we can start negotiating. >> david, karen was saying earlier she feel that is speaker boehner doesn't really have a lot of leverage or room for maneuver. we've all been focused on the president's assertion that the tax rates for the top 2% are going up but that's not the only thing that the president wants to alive is it? because he also wants to prevent these periodic fights over the debt ceiling. he's had enough of that, hasn't h
though interestingly, it didn't work for mitt romney. he said i can raise "x" billion, he said $800 billion, by closing undisclosed loopholes and tax expenditures, but once you get down to the level of specifics and you say, i want to close the charitable deduction, i want to close the mortgage interest deduction, i want to close the state and local deduction, then you awake a lot of o opponents for whom your loophole is their treasured program. that's are not scorable, addible...
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the declaration that mitt romney is actually president? wanting what? a pony? there's a conservative guy who didn't get his pony. let's add the pony. are you happy? still not happy? this is a game. republicans put forward an offer in which they get everything they want. democrats get nothing, even though democrats won the election. then the republicans have the people on their own side squawk and complain as if what's just happened is such a compromise. they must be giving so much to be upsetting their own side so much. it's total bullpucky. it's fine. everybody knows they are doing this. but if you have been following the back and forth in washington over this negotiation, do not let anyone convince you that this part of it is anything but horse hooey. and when you switch from another company to us, we even reward you for the time you spent there. genius. yeah, genius. you guys must have your own loyalty program, right? well, we have something. show her, tom. huh? you should see november! oh, yeah? giving you more. now that's progressive. call or click today.
the declaration that mitt romney is actually president? wanting what? a pony? there's a conservative guy who didn't get his pony. let's add the pony. are you happy? still not happy? this is a game. republicans put forward an offer in which they get everything they want. democrats get nothing, even though democrats won the election. then the republicans have the people on their own side squawk and complain as if what's just happened is such a compromise. they must be giving so much to be...
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national convention in september, saying that president obama will be better for business than mitt romney, but just before that second obama term begins, he's getting a dividend. mr. senegal and the rest of the costco board voted this week to give themselves a special dividend, a 3 billion dollar christmas gift for shareholders that will allow them to be taxed at the current rate of 15% rather than next year's rate of over 40%. and costco is just one of many companies making these one-time cash payouts in a move that will save stocks holders like senegal unless in dividend taxes. and so, mary, turns out maybe taxes do influence investor behavior. what's the meaning of the great cashout of 2012? >> well, don't tax you, don't tax me, tax the guy behind the tree. >> paul: russell long, former late senator. >> exactly. and what you see here are very wealthy people who can, you know, engineer ways to avoid taxes, meanwhile, what he's-- the medicine he's suggesting for people who are starting to do better, people who say, make $200,000, maybe working their whole life. they're the ones who are g
national convention in september, saying that president obama will be better for business than mitt romney, but just before that second obama term begins, he's getting a dividend. mr. senegal and the rest of the costco board voted this week to give themselves a special dividend, a 3 billion dollar christmas gift for shareholders that will allow them to be taxed at the current rate of 15% rather than next year's rate of over 40%. and costco is just one of many companies making these one-time...
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it's the same kind of happy thinking that led to some boldly predicting a romney victory." he ended the column by saying "republicans are so screwed." this is why president obama is playing to his strengths. the president has never had a problem rallying the american people to his side. >> understand this was a central question in the election. maybe thee central question in the election. you remember. we talked about this a lot. >> republicans are furious because they can't control this conversation. americans know where they stand on tax fairness and republicans are on the losing end. it's been a rough week. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question. who has the upper hand in the fiscal cliff negotiations at this point? text "a" for president obama, text "b" for the republicans to 622639. always go to our blog at ed.msn ed.msnbc.com and leave a comment. we encourage you to do that. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. i'm joined tonight by sam stein, political reporter for "the huffington post." don't you dare give me a hard
it's the same kind of happy thinking that led to some boldly predicting a romney victory." he ended the column by saying "republicans are so screwed." this is why president obama is playing to his strengths. the president has never had a problem rallying the american people to his side. >> understand this was a central question in the election. maybe thee central question in the election. you remember. we talked about this a lot. >> republicans are furious because...
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hard to imagine romney himself believed these internal polls. >> apparently so. again, they had so deluded themselves about the reality of who this country is and what this country is about, again, it goes to they kept telling us we were just imagining the war on women and yet we were still talking about vaginal probes and legitimate rape. they truly convinced themselves, either that or it's abject malpractice on the part of their pollsters, they convinced themselves that those numbers of young people, african-american, latino wouldn't matter. just like they're kind of doing now. they're trying to convince themselves, people love the ryan budget, so, of course, we're going to fight the president. people don't love the ryan budget. we voted against it. >> exactly. we've been saying that all hour. per perry, romney continues with the delusion. he now says the president won by handing out gifts. but, in fact, it was the gop that was given the gift of citizens united, a terrible economy, and even voter i.d. laws in no fewer than 13 states and they still lost. >> exac
hard to imagine romney himself believed these internal polls. >> apparently so. again, they had so deluded themselves about the reality of who this country is and what this country is about, again, it goes to they kept telling us we were just imagining the war on women and yet we were still talking about vaginal probes and legitimate rape. they truly convinced themselves, either that or it's abject malpractice on the part of their pollsters, they convinced themselves that those numbers of...
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was that mitt romney didn't have a republican base. what he's basically say ising not only do i have a base, i have the tea party base. this is actually where i actually don't completely agree with joy. i think what boehner is recognizing is that the tea party is actually sunsetting. it's not as strong as it was. by him basically removing these folks from leadership, he's finding his swagger back and saying you're going to have to come with me because otherwise there isn't going to be a tea party because if we own want to be a party of winning congress but not the senate or the congress, we'll continue going down that direction. he's continuing to try to herd cats but look at the global perspective and coming back more to the center right. >> joy, here is how bad it's gotten for the gop. we saw in a poll that herman cain is ahead of saxby chambliss por the 2014 senate primary by get this, 14 points. don't tell me we could be looking at senator herman cain in two years' time. >> this is the point. you still do have these three wings of
was that mitt romney didn't have a republican base. what he's basically say ising not only do i have a base, i have the tea party base. this is actually where i actually don't completely agree with joy. i think what boehner is recognizing is that the tea party is actually sunsetting. it's not as strong as it was. by him basically removing these folks from leadership, he's finding his swagger back and saying you're going to have to come with me because otherwise there isn't going to be a tea...
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the declaration that mitt romney is actually president? wanting what? a pony? there's a conservative guy who didn't get his pony. let's add the pony. how are you happy? still not happy? this is a game. republicans put forward an offer in which they get everything they want. democrats get nothing, even though democrats won the election. then the republicans have the people on their own side squawk and complain as if what's just happened is such a compromise. they must be giving so much to be upsetting their own side so much. it's total bull puck key. it's fine. everybody knows they are doing this. but if you have been following the back and forth in washington over this negotiation, do not let anyone convince you that this part of it is anything but horse hooey. um... uh... um... hm... umm... uh... oh ! the windows phone 8x by htc on verizon. it features easy to navigate live tiles that are simple to customize. just pin what matters most right to your homescreen. exclusively with data sense-- a feature that makes the most of you plan. only on verizon. now we nee
the declaration that mitt romney is actually president? wanting what? a pony? there's a conservative guy who didn't get his pony. let's add the pony. how are you happy? still not happy? this is a game. republicans put forward an offer in which they get everything they want. democrats get nothing, even though democrats won the election. then the republicans have the people on their own side squawk and complain as if what's just happened is such a compromise. they must be giving so much to be...
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they sound a lot like the arguments that mitt romney was making during the campaign that americans roundly rejected. for them to cling to that rhetoric doesn't make sense. they've had time to make their case and they're losing american people. the president has been very firm from the beginning, he's been very consistent across the board with members of congress, the business community, progressive leaders, you name it, all the different folks he's brought in to talk about this, he's been very consistent. he's not playing a game and i think you got a taste of that yesterday in his remarks to the business roundtable. he's not kidding. he's put some serious things on the table, he's put his plans out there, it's balanced, there's spending, he's willing to make a deal but he is not willing to have any kind of conversation that does not include raising rates and he's unwilling to put raising the debt ceiling in as part of this package and i think he's not going to move from that. >> let's look at the examination that's going into the strategy coming from the white house. rich lowrie calls the
they sound a lot like the arguments that mitt romney was making during the campaign that americans roundly rejected. for them to cling to that rhetoric doesn't make sense. they've had time to make their case and they're losing american people. the president has been very firm from the beginning, he's been very consistent across the board with members of congress, the business community, progressive leaders, you name it, all the different folks he's brought in to talk about this, he's been very...
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this is exactly what mitt romney was talking about. >>eric: president obama ran the last campaign on things are getting better. give me for more years we are almost there. a very good indication of things are really getting better in the economy is food stamp use. food stamps are up to a record level. november showed 46 million people on food stamps. if things are getting better, how does that keep going up? >>guest: exactly. if you remember back during the campaign, obama was going around bragging saying, i saved detroit with the bailout. really? you saved detroit? is that why detroit is coming begging right now for money? it is insane. he is completely out of touch and he doesn't realize what this economy is like right now for every day folks. >>eric: thank you, michelle. >> there is supposed to be teaching for the kids but are they now towing the white house line? twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligatio. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing
this is exactly what mitt romney was talking about. >>eric: president obama ran the last campaign on things are getting better. give me for more years we are almost there. a very good indication of things are really getting better in the economy is food stamp use. food stamps are up to a record level. november showed 46 million people on food stamps. if things are getting better, how does that keep going up? >>guest: exactly. if you remember back during the campaign, obama was going...
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isn't a romney wing of the republican party. it's not like he can bring to bear constituency beyond maybe wall street. that wing of the party was more his niche. but the president can sort of talk to other people in the wall street wing. you know, he had some ceos over to the white house the other day. some of them represent that wing just as much as or more than mitt romney. so i think the awkward position romney is in is that he is sort of a man without a country politically. so i'm not sure what he himself could do. but i think the gesture was important because it does sort of represent sort of the marching on of democracy in the u.s. i think it was important from that standpoint, but i don't think we'll see much of mitt romney. >> joy-ann reid, great to see you. molly ball, thank you. >>> also today, israel says the u.n. vote recognizing palestine as a state is, quote, meaningless. the general assembly voted overwhelmingly yesterday 138-9 to give palestine status as a nonmember observer state. the united states voted against
isn't a romney wing of the republican party. it's not like he can bring to bear constituency beyond maybe wall street. that wing of the party was more his niche. but the president can sort of talk to other people in the wall street wing. you know, he had some ceos over to the white house the other day. some of them represent that wing just as much as or more than mitt romney. so i think the awkward position romney is in is that he is sort of a man without a country politically. so i'm not sure...
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mitt romney just arrived here. we're not expecting anything huge to come out of this meeting. no appointment. for example, to the cabinet. but the president certainly, i think, hoping to engage in a serious conversation. this, as you point out, will be just the seventh time that these two have sat down after what was really a bruising fight during the election. this is really about sort of striking a tone of bipartisanship, helping these two former rivals to bury the hatchet but helping, i think the country to move forward, especially as we get closer to that fiscal cliff deadline. >> and ruth is here at the table. one of the issues could be the sort of backdrop the post-election comment by all sides not only mitt romney but also by stewart stevenson, op-ed his adviser. there was a time not long ago when the problems of the democratic party revolved arounding too liberal and dependent on minorities. obama turned those problems in advantages and rode that strategy to victory but he was a charismatic african-american president with a billion dollars, no primary and media that fe
mitt romney just arrived here. we're not expecting anything huge to come out of this meeting. no appointment. for example, to the cabinet. but the president certainly, i think, hoping to engage in a serious conversation. this, as you point out, will be just the seventh time that these two have sat down after what was really a bruising fight during the election. this is really about sort of striking a tone of bipartisanship, helping these two former rivals to bury the hatchet but helping, i...
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it's the mitt romney plan again. the offer letter actually described the proposal as the bowles plan. republicans say the plan is based on the outline for the debt commission co-chair. the approach outlined in the letter speaker boehner sent to the president does not represent the simpson-bowles plan nor is it the bowles plan. the white house also rejected the offer in a statement today. the republican letter released today does not meet the test of balance. in fact, it actually promises to lower rates for the wealthiest americans and sticks the middle class with the bill. their plan includes nothing new and provides no details on which e deductions they would eliminate, which loopholes they would close or which medicare savings they would achieve. hold it right there, folks. loopholes, aren't we tired of hearing about loopholes? timothy geithner made appearances on all the sunday talk shows to hammer home the specifics of the white house plan. republicans tried to counter his presence using their favorite media sour
it's the mitt romney plan again. the offer letter actually described the proposal as the bowles plan. republicans say the plan is based on the outline for the debt commission co-chair. the approach outlined in the letter speaker boehner sent to the president does not represent the simpson-bowles plan nor is it the bowles plan. the white house also rejected the offer in a statement today. the republican letter released today does not meet the test of balance. in fact, it actually promises to...
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not because they loved obama but they were so fearful of romney and republicans. >> i think it is a case of actions speaking louder than words. you can say to people we like you and we are inclusive but if you don't have representatives there that look like me or have been in my shoes i am not going to believe it. doesn't matter if you are a person of color, if you're a woman or a person of a certain economic background you need that representation and you need those people to say i am a representative -- didn't have enough of those -- >> at some point it becomes pandering if you are just rolling out one black or hispanic -- [talking over each other] charles: you have to start the republicans started two weeks ago, got to the grass roots. you can't just show up. you have to be prepared. i don't think a blanket message is going to work. you have to go to these communities and take a lot of heat, a lot of heat. stuart: if whatever community you are talking about, and they think at the moment if my representative doesn't look like me, you don't represent me, you don't represent my interests
not because they loved obama but they were so fearful of romney and republicans. >> i think it is a case of actions speaking louder than words. you can say to people we like you and we are inclusive but if you don't have representatives there that look like me or have been in my shoes i am not going to believe it. doesn't matter if you are a person of color, if you're a woman or a person of a certain economic background you need that representation and you need those people to say i am a...
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when governor romney said that, pointed that out to president obama in the debate, he was -- we had horses and bayonets, too. he seemed to make light of that. how important is it can you give us a sense of the impact? >> i think the president's comment is showing his inexperience in military matters. in this particular case we are going down to 220 ships. to put that number in perspective, i had 2505 ships under my command in the pacific fleet's. 20 percent of those 220 ships will be the literal combat ships which basically have no offensive or defensive capability. we are going to be challenged where we show weakness. and let me give you an example. just today china announced effective january 1 they have authorized their paramilitary naval forces and their police to stop all vessels in the south china sea that they consider to be there illegally if they have not requested permission. this must be rejected in the most strongest terms. this hits at the core capability of international maritime law, freedom of transit, freedom of navigation rights. lou: we have not heard from the state depa
when governor romney said that, pointed that out to president obama in the debate, he was -- we had horses and bayonets, too. he seemed to make light of that. how important is it can you give us a sense of the impact? >> i think the president's comment is showing his inexperience in military matters. in this particular case we are going down to 220 ships. to put that number in perspective, i had 2505 ships under my command in the pacific fleet's. 20 percent of those 220 ships will be the...
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it didn't add up with mitt romney. it doesn't add up today. >> it doesn't add up, and those targeted revenue measures serve certain goals that we actually care about more than helping billionaires. those goals include what you just said, incentivizing charitable giving, and also home ownership, which is a middle to upper class benefit, but it's one that we've always encouraged with the mortgage interest rate deduction because we want people moving into the middle class. that matters more, that is better than just worrying about billionaires. one other point i want to hit since we're on the martin bashir show, i know this is a place for real talk so if we can have some real talk for a second. there is no fiscal cliff. there's no special deadline. these are long-term debates. you were asking mr. russert about the past negotiations because these are debates we've had in the past that we will continue to have in the future. some people would rather solve them in the bottom of the ninth. that would be better. but if we go i
it didn't add up with mitt romney. it doesn't add up today. >> it doesn't add up, and those targeted revenue measures serve certain goals that we actually care about more than helping billionaires. those goals include what you just said, incentivizing charitable giving, and also home ownership, which is a middle to upper class benefit, but it's one that we've always encouraged with the mortgage interest rate deduction because we want people moving into the middle class. that matters more,...
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. >> that was romney's plan. lower tax rates, cut some deductions and what are you doing. >> bowles simpson, a democrat. he did the deal with the newt gingrich and bill clinton. you c . stuart: stop smiling. >> every democrat sitting right% there has said the same thing. remember bill clinton. he raised tax rates and it sent off a boom. you don't agree with that? >> i do agree with it, but he also reformed welfare. he was also willing to rein in modestly entitlements and do things on a comprehensive basis, it worked and paid huge dividends. stuart: i've got 30 seconds. >> yes. stuart: are we going to get a fiscal cliff avoid dan deal? >> we may get some form of a deal. we are not going to get a real deal. i think the economy is going to be hurt and i think both sides, especially the president deserve blame. stuart: who will get the blame? >> the republicans clearly are going to get the blame and hurting themselves. stuart: but we may go into a much slower economy and hurts the president. >> bad news for the presi
. >> that was romney's plan. lower tax rates, cut some deductions and what are you doing. >> bowles simpson, a democrat. he did the deal with the newt gingrich and bill clinton. you c . stuart: stop smiling. >> every democrat sitting right% there has said the same thing. remember bill clinton. he raised tax rates and it sent off a boom. you don't agree with that? >> i do agree with it, but he also reformed welfare. he was also willing to rein in modestly entitlements and...
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our sense is that 2012 was very much a beauty contest between mitt romney and barack obama. all of the issues that mattered so much in the 2010 election like health care, we didn't have that conversation. we think it should be a choice between fiscal responsibility and patient control over health care versus a bigger government solution. i think we could win that fight and i think 2014 is going to be more about issues and there's opportunities, i think, to increase the gains that we made in 2010. >> well, midterm elections are one thing and what -- and it's possible you could win arguments, but when more people vote, is it harder to win this conservative argument? >> well, mitt romney was hardly part of this new generation of fiscally responsible republicans that we've been repopulating the party with, but if you look forward to 2016, you're talking about some pretty interesting young dynamic people like marco rubio and rand paul and maybe scott walker. these are all political leaders in the republican party that weren't there when mitt romney and john mccain before him got
our sense is that 2012 was very much a beauty contest between mitt romney and barack obama. all of the issues that mattered so much in the 2010 election like health care, we didn't have that conversation. we think it should be a choice between fiscal responsibility and patient control over health care versus a bigger government solution. i think we could win that fight and i think 2014 is going to be more about issues and there's opportunities, i think, to increase the gains that we made in...
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or mitt romney saying, big bird, that i'll cut. you put a list out of spending cuts and you immediately get under attack. some of the increase clearly is something that the republicans agree with, which is to deal with the compensation being given to doctors, reimbursement. >> arthel: the so-called dock fix you're talking about. >> yeah. and so i think what's going to happen eventually is that both sides probably in closed door sessions, where you and i nay not know what's going on, are going to have to sit there on a bipartisan basis so that nobody gets the blame and come up with some spending cuts. the truth is that even if you hate billionaires, there aren't enough of them. you can't raise taxes enough to get us out of this crisis solely on the basis of revenue increases. >> arthel: you're feeling at this point, as we sit here, december 1, that political posturing will take a back seat to pragmatism? >> well, let's not go too far, art. we're talking about washington, d.c. and i think there is going to be plenty of political post
or mitt romney saying, big bird, that i'll cut. you put a list out of spending cuts and you immediately get under attack. some of the increase clearly is something that the republicans agree with, which is to deal with the compensation being given to doctors, reimbursement. >> arthel: the so-called dock fix you're talking about. >> yeah. and so i think what's going to happen eventually is that both sides probably in closed door sessions, where you and i nay not know what's going on,...
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didn't work for romney. people were not interested in that. i don't really see what interest the white house has in making a deal. so far all the public polling makes it look like, again, this could change, but all the public polling makes it look if we go over the cliff the republicans will be blamed and they're the ones being recalcitrant and the white house can make a deal on their terms because they won. >> in terms of who's going to get blamed if we go over the cliff, ari, is there a risk as the republicans put forth a plan f you're john public, does that seem like a reasonable offer? i don't know. they're playing ball. do the democrats risk getting blamed if we go over the fiscal cliff now that there is a counter offer from the gop? >> that's the interesting question. connects with what ezra was talking about. do the actual sacrifices happen in your backyard and do they happen in the backyard of wealthy people who are a big part of the base of both of these parties let's be honest. you quoted mark thiessen quoting biggy smalls saying don
didn't work for romney. people were not interested in that. i don't really see what interest the white house has in making a deal. so far all the public polling makes it look like, again, this could change, but all the public polling makes it look if we go over the cliff the republicans will be blamed and they're the ones being recalcitrant and the white house can make a deal on their terms because they won. >> in terms of who's going to get blamed if we go over the cliff, ari, is there a...
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the big one, romney's decision to pick congressman paul ryan as his running mate. axle rod also says that he was surprised the pro-romney super pacs waited so late to launch attack ads. the romney campaign should have done a better job defining their candidate instead of leaving a vacuum for the obama campaign to fill in, they filled it in pretty early. molly ball, national political reporter for "the atlantic." lynn sweet, chief for "chicago sun-times." you wrote about this and you also say that the obama campaign is engaging supporters about how to move forward. even conducting a post-election survey of sorts. what do you know? >> we know that more than one million of the supporters answered it and we already know that this big obama army is working on fiscal cliff matters where they're sgogoing to be, t are mobilized to help support the president's plan to get the tax breaks in first, but we're learning history, finally. we're getting it in the first david alex raxlerod is talking he never thought that paul ryan would be the vice president pick. >> who did he th
the big one, romney's decision to pick congressman paul ryan as his running mate. axle rod also says that he was surprised the pro-romney super pacs waited so late to launch attack ads. the romney campaign should have done a better job defining their candidate instead of leaving a vacuum for the obama campaign to fill in, they filled it in pretty early. molly ball, national political reporter for "the atlantic." lynn sweet, chief for "chicago sun-times." you wrote about this...
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mention the only republican he is scheduled to meet with this week is former presidential candidate mitt romney. lunch at the white house. back on the hill, congressional democrats did not put any spending cuts on the table, but senate majority leader harry reid did embrace reublicans who have turned against one of the party's most influential forces. >> one obstacle standing beyond congress and compromise, grover norquist. bullying lawmakers willing to put their oath of office and promised to serve constituents ahead of the pledge to lead this antax sell it. his brand of ideological extremism has been bad for congress and work for -- worse for the country. distancing themselves this week. i appreciate that very much. lou: with the majority leader's things we turn now to the man at the center of mr. reed's spewing of vitriol, of variable stream. we are joined by grover norquist , president of americans for tax reform. i have to ask you. how does it feel to be a bully of lawmakers? i like this part especially, anti-tax sell at. the logical extremists. to find yourself is really being pointed tha
mention the only republican he is scheduled to meet with this week is former presidential candidate mitt romney. lunch at the white house. back on the hill, congressional democrats did not put any spending cuts on the table, but senate majority leader harry reid did embrace reublicans who have turned against one of the party's most influential forces. >> one obstacle standing beyond congress and compromise, grover norquist. bullying lawmakers willing to put their oath of office and...
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governor romney has served on the board twice before. dennis: no word whether his bank account makes him less qualified of a candidate on that one. microsoft hoping to take a bite out of apple's ipad business. the high price could be more than some customers can swallow. shiiani joshi joins us now with a fabulous new haircut. shibani: you didn't notice last week, apparently. some backlash going on against microsoft today. you would think the company would price its new tablet line a little more aggressively considering it will have to compete with apple and its ipad. the company revealing a few months after the initial appearance of the surface. they will come with a pretty hefty price tag associated with them. it is a 64 gigabyte model with a price tag at $899. the pro which is a 128 gigabyte model is $999. the 64 gigabyte ipod will run you $829 or $70 less than what microsoft is charging you. you can also bite and ipod mini for $329. it apparently is not trying to compete on price. they are focusing on the pretty interesting features t
governor romney has served on the board twice before. dennis: no word whether his bank account makes him less qualified of a candidate on that one. microsoft hoping to take a bite out of apple's ipad business. the high price could be more than some customers can swallow. shiiani joshi joins us now with a fabulous new haircut. shibani: you didn't notice last week, apparently. some backlash going on against microsoft today. you would think the company would price its new tablet line a little more...
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ann romney mentioned their trips to costco. they filled two carts worth of goodies, paper plate -- vice president biden is a card carrying member. he went shopping at a new store in washington, d.c. >>> if the 2016 presidential election were held today, secretary of state hillary clinton would be a shoo-in. according to a new "washington post"/abc news poll 57% would support clinton to succeed president obama. 37% would not. ted nugent weighs in on the fiscal cliff fiasco something he said we drove off a long time ago. he writes in "the washington times" social security, medicaid and medicare spending needs to be slaughtered and let's stop the insanity of the right to vote of any american on welfare. once they get off well taer and are self-sustaining they get their right restored. no american on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those americans working and paying taxes to support them. >>> and "the daily show's" jon stewart says maybe we should go off the fiscal cliff. >> back and forth of offers. it's
ann romney mentioned their trips to costco. they filled two carts worth of goodies, paper plate -- vice president biden is a card carrying member. he went shopping at a new store in washington, d.c. >>> if the 2016 presidential election were held today, secretary of state hillary clinton would be a shoo-in. according to a new "washington post"/abc news poll 57% would support clinton to succeed president obama. 37% would not. ted nugent weighs in on the fiscal cliff fiasco...
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clearly mitt romney is not going to be be party leader. they don't actually have one and you watch the wilderness fight for a while. >> candy, i hate to say this because i know we all want to play along with 2016. i think part of the problem in washington is everyone is focused on next election. it's always an excuse not to get something done. i think the american people think we just went through an election now that you all have jobs can we solve problems and get something done. 2016 will be here way too soon and people are already running for office on both sides. honestly, i wish people would remember whatever party they're in you got elected this time a month ago to do a job and there's a big job to do. >> washington is so dysfunctional. only washington, d.c. is talking about 2016. the rest of the country is trying to create jobs. they're trying to get their kids off to school. they're trying to make payments on their house and car. washington 2016 completely out of touch. >> i know you attended the dinner i was unable to go to. there
clearly mitt romney is not going to be be party leader. they don't actually have one and you watch the wilderness fight for a while. >> candy, i hate to say this because i know we all want to play along with 2016. i think part of the problem in washington is everyone is focused on next election. it's always an excuse not to get something done. i think the american people think we just went through an election now that you all have jobs can we solve problems and get something done. 2016...
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they did not get a president romney. they still have a president obama. but now they're at the president obama white house almost every week meeting with president obama. and i understand that he wants them to help him get his general accomplished. i understand that. what about the other direction? the fact that they're getting all this face time with the president. does that mean they're getting their agenda, too? well, you can judge for yourself in small ways. we're told that a senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts is about to get a seat on the senate banking committee. it's not official yet but one aide says it is, quote, likely. this of course has the banking world, the financial industry in a tissy. this is not what they wanted. they did not want a new sheriff on wall street. one democratic aide describing them as, quote, going nuts over this. but going nuts does not necessarily mean you get what you want. especially not when the horse you bet on so boldly lost so badly. it also means that working goat some things doesn't mean you have to work to
they did not get a president romney. they still have a president obama. but now they're at the president obama white house almost every week meeting with president obama. and i understand that he wants them to help him get his general accomplished. i understand that. what about the other direction? the fact that they're getting all this face time with the president. does that mean they're getting their agenda, too? well, you can judge for yourself in small ways. we're told that a senator...